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 Post subject: foundation pedigree
PostPosted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:22 am 
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this subject is new to me. i had a lady who has a female pedigree cat looking for a stud to use. she explained that her cat is a foundation cat where the cat wasnt purchased as active but took to a cat show to have 3 judges sign a form giving the cat a foundation. my question is.... is it really this easy to put a cat on the active register or is the cat not actually on active. i dont want to use my stud to this cat if this procedure is wrong. i thought only the breeder can put a cat on the active register. am i being taken for a fool here.... i expect so. :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: foundation pedigree
PostPosted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:37 am 
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I have never heard of this, the only thing i can think is that shes trying to create a new breed of cat, by crossing breeds, unless hers is a mainecoon too,then thats not the reason :?
I think Penny might know better, but it doesnt sound right to me angelgirl :?

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 Post subject: Re: foundation pedigree
PostPosted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:14 am 
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You need to ask her which registration body it is. It may be something Tica or FiFe do. I'm not terribly happy about the cat 'not being purchased as active'. That's where you'll be in trouble if you don't check it out. It probably isn't registered at all which strangely is within the rules for accepting to stud but I think you need to know exactly what you're doing to get involved. Even within the rules it's a game for the very experienced only.

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 Post subject: Re: foundation pedigree
PostPosted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 4:42 pm 
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thankyou toadvs. i thought this sounded strange. she says its with tica but she doesnt have a pedigree certificate as she purchased the adult cat without papers. this is why i asked how it can be active. if you dont know the breeding lines then you cant guarantee its not the same line as what i have. ive told her i wouldnt be happy using my stud and going to stay well out of this. :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: foundation pedigree
PostPosted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 4:54 pm 
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You are right angelgirl not to let her use your stud, if she purchased the cat without papers,how can she register it at all :?
I think shes pulling a fast one :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: foundation pedigree
PostPosted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:34 pm 
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Now then this is complicated. In new breeds for a cat to be used within an existing breeding programmme at TICA they need to have approval from 3 independent judges to see if it meets the criteria for the breed. However the cat itself will possibly have moggie written on the pedigree.(parents unknown ) even if the cat is being used in a programme their should still be some form of written paperwork to state this is the case. I would say no paperwork no credibility. I would like to use a Maine Coon as an outcross for my breed, however although I have the pedigree for my cat. It would mean that whatever cat was presented for use as stud. would need to be of no known origin and would need to go before the judge for recognition.I am still covered in one line as I can still use an outside cat for foundation so she is correct on that one. Penny :D

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 Post subject: Re: foundation pedigree
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Sorry to slightly change the subject, if 2 different breeds are crossed, should there still be a pedigree with both parents pedigrees ,as in Dam and Sire of kittens
I have;nt given these to any of my x bred kittens, but i have seen ads saying pedigree given, but if crossbreed obviously cant be pedigrees

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 Post subject: Re: foundation pedigree
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I sometimes give a pedigree paper with a cross breed, depends really on the price paid and the kittens in question. If they are paying moggie price then I see no reason the give pedigree papers.however the new owner is made fully aware of this. some of my cross breeds can be registered as part of a foundation breed. which is my reason for the cross breed, but unless someone is working towards the goal of a new breed then no...Penny :D

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 Post subject: Re: foundation pedigree
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the lady does have 3 signatures by judges so she says she can send her girl to stud and register the kittens. i dont understand how this can be so ive told her im very sorry but im at closed stud. i didnt want to get into an arguement on something i didnt really understand so this was the best way out of the situation.
i also thought the point of pedigree certificates was to prove a cat/kitten was a pure pedigree and couldnt be given for cross breeds. breeding can be so complicated especially as different registering clubs have different rules. :D


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 Post subject: Re: foundation pedigree
PostPosted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:08 pm 
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They really should be called outcrosses when they can be used in a pedigree breeding programme and not cross breeds although in reality that is what some are. In the Highlander we can outcross to a domestic, we cannot out cross to any known breeds. A lot of breeds have used cross breeds the Selkirk Rex for one.. Both British Shorthair and Persian were used to build the breed in fact still are.however by doing this you knock the pedigree back instead of forwarding it so their really is not a good reason to do it unless introducing a new colour.Penny :D

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